cyberziramon
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Post by cyberziramon on Jul 19, 2010 19:30:24 GMT -6
This thread is dedicated to various plot holes throughout the Digimon franchise. First off, the Crests.
In the final episodes of the original Adventure, Apocalymon destroyed the Crests, and then Tai convinced the other DigiDestined that the Crests were mere symbols, that the power was INSIDE the DigiDestined all along, which enabled their Digimon partners to once again reach the Ultimate and Mega Levels.
In Adventure 02, NONE of the original Destined Digimon seems able to advance further than Champion without a Crest, excluding Agumon, who Dark Digivolved while under a Dark Spiral's control. So did the Digidestined somehow lose their traits that gave their partners such power in the intervening years? No. Joe is still the paragon of Reliability, Tai's as Courageous as ever, and so on and so forth.
So then, I ask once more: WTFH happened?!
And then, of course, remember again that Apocalymon destroyed all eight Crests. How is it, then, that T.K. and Kari were somehow able to sacrifice a now non-existent Crest to unseal Azulongmon? Is it really the thought that counts? I don't think so.
Input would be appreciated, as well as any other plot holes you've discovered throughout seasons 1-4.
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Post by goggles on Jul 19, 2010 21:16:13 GMT -6
uh welcome to the forums, I don't think your post in the introduction thread exists yet.
Frontier towards the end - just exactly where did the 'civilian' digimon evacuate? The digital world was blown up, the moons were blown up, heck the last fight was done in an expanse of nothingness and we had no sighting of the digimon who left the area of snow.
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Post by cyberziramon on Jul 20, 2010 5:47:41 GMT -6
.... You have an excellent point, but I honestly can't remember if there were even any civilian Digimon left alive at that point. I'd always thought that by the time of the final battle, Lucemon (to be fair, by proxy of his Knights) had either killed or absorbed everything in the Digital World EXCEPT for the DigiDestined, who then kicked his sorry arse. Thus, I don't honestly know if there were any civilian Digimon TO evacuate.
Regarding post on the introduction thread not existing yet: does it need to?
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Post by Magna on Jul 20, 2010 7:31:03 GMT -6
yeah it does ahem what about the Dark Ocean? that was the most thrown away episode in the season what happened to Daemon as well?
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Post by LPatamon on Jul 20, 2010 20:52:55 GMT -6
And then, of course, remember again that Apocalymon destroyed all eight Crests. How is it, then, that T.K. and Kari were somehow able to sacrifice a now non-existent Crest to unseal Azulongmon? Is it really the thought that counts? I don't think so. There was no plot hole there. Azulongmon himself said it were the Digieggs of Hope and Light what unsealed him, not the crests. Since the digieggs does exist then there is no plot hole there.
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Post by Magna on Jul 21, 2010 5:53:59 GMT -6
that is true
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Post by nightshroud19 on Jul 21, 2010 16:22:22 GMT -6
who's the newbie?
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Post by Magna on Jul 21, 2010 18:31:13 GMT -6
he joined a couple of days ago
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Post by cyberziramon on Jul 22, 2010 7:07:33 GMT -6
Azulongmon was freed by the Digi-Eggs....? But then, how on Earth is it that Patamon and Gatomon can Armor Digivolve, since they're USING THE DIGI-EGGS?! And I know that Azulongmon was apparently unsealed BEFORE the start of Adventure 02, but the Control Spires evidently re-sealed him or something. Also, Magna has a point about the Dark Ocean. I didn't really like that episode, because it just seemed.... I don't know, sorta flat, y'know?
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Post by cyberziramon on Jul 22, 2010 7:15:18 GMT -6
And then, of course, remember again that Apocalymon destroyed all eight Crests. How is it, then, that T.K. and Kari were somehow able to sacrifice a now non-existent Crest to unseal Azulongmon? Is it really the thought that counts? I don't think so. There was no plot hole there. Azulongmon himself said it were the Digieggs of Hope and Light what unsealed him, not the crests. Since the digieggs does exist then there is no plot hole there. Okay then, but that still doesn't answer another critical question: Apocalymon STILL destroyed the Crests, and the Destined Digimon were STILL able to reach Ultimate and Mega without them in order to fight him. Because the Crest power was inside the DigiDestined. How is it, then, that the original Destined Digimon can't do it again in Adventure 02? Did Tai become a coward? Was Matt less of a Friend (in some ways, it could be argued that that's the case)? Was T.K. Hopeless? (in a way, yes. That's a lame joke attempt, if you couldn't tell). Were Izzy and Mimi turned into an idiot and a liar respectively? Did Joe become UnReliable? Kari seemed to have just as much Light, so I can't find anything on that front, and if anything, Sora actually seemed to me a bit MORE Loving than she used to be (although in my mind, Toei made her Love the wrong man.... Stupid Matt....), so Biyomon should've been able to reach Mega in that case. THIS is the part of the plot hole you haven't explained yet, Milord Patamon.
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Post by Magna on Jul 22, 2010 9:33:53 GMT -6
well the creators didn't want them to upstage the others and they never said that TK and Kari had to give up their digieggs
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Post by cyberziramon on Jul 22, 2010 13:20:41 GMT -6
I know that the creators didn't want the original cast to upstage the newbies, but I just feel like they could've done a significantly better job of explaining HOW the non-upstaging was to happen. And if Kari and T.K. didn't give up their (non-existent, I might add again) Crests OR their Digi-Eggs, then what on Earth DID they sacrifice to free Azulongmon? THEIR LUNCH?!!?!?
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Post by LPatamon on Jul 22, 2010 15:04:19 GMT -6
They still had their digieggs after unsealing Azulongmon, Pegasusmon and Nefertimon appear in the fight with MaloMyotismon, also Pegasusmon and Nefertimon also appeared during the attack at the site where Matt was having the concert (digi-christmas episode) using the golden noose to caught some of the digimon that were released in the real world so they still used their digieggs.
They only used the power of the digieggs to unseal Azulongmon but the digieggs didn't lose their power, they only were a kind of trigger to help Azulongmon to be free.
About the giving the crests to the barrier there I really don't know, that was a major flaw there.
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Post by nightshroud19 on Jul 22, 2010 15:06:51 GMT -6
I didn't think the crests were destroyed weren't they just given up as a way to re-format the Digital World after Apocalymon and weren't they able to digivolve because it was in some pocket dimension like the Malomyotismon one, I don't really see the point in picking out plot holes its just a waste of time
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Post by cyberziramon on Jul 22, 2010 15:09:26 GMT -6
Like if you blast some random town... like Primary Village, for example, with a nuclear weapon (read: Terra Destroyer), then the Digimon of the village aren't technically lost, per se, they're just turned back into Digi-Eggs -- read: still there in another form?
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